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>> straight from the source tonight, we have some new reporting coming in all the debates over the debate as harris and trump campaigns, while they're trading demands over mics and mute buttons, trump threatens to pull the plug scheduled clash could be on the brink of collapse jack smith versus judge aileen cannon and the special counsel's major move tonight against the trump appointee, who threw out the classified documents case what they're staring down tonight at mar a-lago. i'll speak to trump's former attorney and it's never been done before for private citizens getting ready to blast off into space. a history for making mission this week. while two nasa astronauts stuck in space, you imagine they're learning, they won't hitch a ride home until next year i'm pamela brown in for kaitlan collins. and this is the source

tonight, more drama over the upcoming debate. donald trump and his democratic opponent for president are going back and forth tonight over putin or unmuting microphones when the other candidate is speaking at the debate schedule, just 15 days from now, except this time, instead of the muted mics that president biden demanded back in june, the harris campaign, once on at all times for hobbes, it has something to do with bad memories of the night trump was kept muzzled while president biden imploded into his microphone well, the harris campaign says trump should quote, stop hiding behind the mute button. so the vice president can deal with his quote, lies and interruptions and real-time. the trump campaign says the mics were the rules that they agreed to. perhaps it has something to do with former president's allies trying to keep their candidate on message, will ask for the candidate himself they also want to change the rules. you know, the deal was we keep the same rules. now said they want to make the change in the rules because she can't answer

question. you want the microphone muted. debate whenever you're speaking we agreed to the same rules. i don't know. doesn't matter to me. i'd rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be the same as it was last time that case, it was needed i didn't like it the last time, but it worked out fine ask biden now it worked out. it was fine. and i think it should be the same. the truth is, they're trying to get out of it because she doesn't want to debate she's not a good debater. she's not a smart person. she doesn't want to debate gets that. i'd rather have it probably on the former president said referring to the microphone the republican nominee undercut him right there at the argument that his own campaign has been making all day long and leaving us in suspense wondering, is this thing still on? that is the looming question tonight. so let's get right to it with some of our sharpest political sources, democratic strategist and cnn political analysts, maria cardona romney, campaign veteran kevin madden, and

washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitutio n, tia mitchell. alright, let's just take a step back and note where we are and in this campaign season, right? i mean, this is a pivotal stretch are entering in just a couple of weeks from now, mail-in ballots will be sent out in the crucial swing state of north carolina we're heading into the fall sprint and here we are with good at squabbling over muted mics again. i wouldn't look at this video and get your reaction from the harris campaign. and we do want to note that the sound effects here are, there's one at debater mole but because they already know everything trump see around not doing the debate that's same thing. now, i mean, right now i say, why should i do a debate of leading in the polls? and everybody knows? well, sure everybody knows me so clearly, baiting trump there with by implying he's a chicken so what do you think is this debate can happen? well, yeah, i think it's going to happen. first of all, though, you're 100%

right? i mean, nowhere in the polls out there do i see swing voters saying that they want to talk about mute buttons? care about the economy, inflation, housing, immigration. and i think both campaigns quite frankly have wasted today talking about mute buttons. but look, i think also the harris campaign with that video is taking a little bit of a page from san suu, the art of war and the strategy of if your opponent has a temper, seek to irritate aid him and i think that's exactly what they're doing. they're really trying to bait trump into talking about anything. but some of the issues out there and irritate him about debate and the mechanics of the debate. i think because of that, he has a lost day of message. and quite frankly he's the candidate right now, if we look at the national polls and swing-state polls, who's behind, he needs to be talking about the issues that voters care about every single day today, a lost day to note to our viewers, we have a whole segment coming up on polling and where the candidates are after the dnc. but i also wonder if this is also just underlines the

significance of this upcoming mean debate. everything matters right? and we saw that with the debate with president biden, right? i mean, look, what happened after that debate, he stepped aside now, kamala harris is the presidential candidate, and you do have to wonder why the harris campaign once unmuted mics big, do they think it benefited trump in that debate? yeah. i mean, i think it's clear that they think that they are learning a lesson from that debate in atlanta in june, and that the muted mics benefited trump in that anytime he wasn't supposed to be talking, we don't know what he said. we don't know what was said under his breath or as an aside or just out of turn? he was muted and at the end of the day, that was a terrible night for joe biden, but it i think the harris campaign thinks that it was made worse by the muted mics. and so they don't want to repeat that and give trump an edge by allowing him to be silenced so that we don't hear

everything he says during that hour we're 90 minutes the question is, who's going to cave first because i think both candidates need this debate. so we don't need the debate about the rules. we need the debates. what do you think, maria? i think that the harris campaign is doing exactly what kevin said and donald trump is taking the bait he's taking the bait. and so i think it does two things. it underscores what voters already feel about him that he's thin skin, that he's petty, that it's all about himself, and that he then starts insulting kamala harris, which is exactly what he did in the clip that you showed every time he insults the vice president, he lived this is votes. he loses votes from key coalitions of voters, young people, women, women of color. and so i think that this is something that the harris campaign is doing very strategically. but i also think that they're asking for the mics to be unmuted is also very strategic. it's not just they

thought that that worked in trump's favor. it's that they see that perhaps if abc does the same thing that cnn, which is where the moderators aren't going to be seen or aren't going to be tasked with fact-checking, right. because it would be daunting given donald trump lied every time he opens his mouth, kamala harris can do it. and if you have a muted mike, it is a lot more difficult to do that. this way. she has control, not just over what she says, but if he starts spewing lies, which we know he will, she can jump in and say, hang on, that's not true. here are the facts, right? and so i think that it's very strategic on their part. it's not just something that they're doing to annoy donald trump, but clearly really that i think is a side benefit of it because it wasn't why the vigorous campaign agree to the rules. and then now they're saying actually no, we don't want his mic muted and that kind of thing. well, i think originally it was the original rules under under biden, but yeah. yeah. at the bottom line is look the

same thanks. could not be higher, right for our viewers may not know this trump and harris have never actually spoken to each other before, right? so this debate will presumably be the first time harris has of course, debated trump's vp pick, mike pence back in 2020, leading to this memorable moment, let's watch he said, because the president wanted people to remain calm well, let's go. but this isn't right and i want to add mr. vice president's speaking. i have i'm speaking before hundred thousand a year appealed to trump tax cut. mr. vice president's speaking well, i'm speaking if you don't mind letting me finish we can have a conversation. okay. please. okay it's not the kind of moment vp harris is rehearsing for what donald trump you think? i think i mean, i do think maria made a good point about being able to fact check trump because you're not sure how the moderators are going to approach that. i do think think she is able to get away. she's got some good one liners. you know, and i think

that's something again, depending on what the rules are, she's a she and her campaign on her strategy, they're going to have to figure out how they can work within the rules but the whole i'm speaking, that you know, became a moment for her coming out of that debate. it showed her willingness to kind go toe to toe, her willingness to kind of, you get a little sassy, if you will. but i think it played well in real time but again, that kind of thing won't go over as well if you're muting i will say mike pence is not donald trump mike pence is a very traditional. he approaches the debate and a very classical way. donald trump is a bar brawler. these a very asymmetrical fighter. i think one of the things they may be thinking, oh, they may overthink this a little bit. and donald trump without a mute button could really control the tone, the tempo of that debate in a way that might make it difficult for vice president harris to really break through

and pin him down. so i don't think it's necessarily neat or easy of a strategy that they're deploying. i think you're absolutely right about that but they cannot. and i think they know this they cannot underestimate donald trump and just because they think they can get under his skin, which they can, that that's going to hence make it easy for her to get her message through enter break through. i think they know that though that's why they're so focused on practicing on practicing again, which is the donald trump that's going to show up. let's remember, this is the prosecutor going up against a 34 times convicted felon. i think this is something that she can really control. but to your point, she's going to need to be prepared for me. it's hard to press for donald trump i mean, you've seen got another credit, i think that the clink campaign thought they had it in the bag right where they were going did the debate flop a split-screen for them but i think for the most part, hillary won those debates. i mean, she did well in the debates. it's the election.

she didn't win electorally. electorally. that's right. but i do. but it was still write the debates can make or break election again, look what happened to ask, who has more? to lose or gain. in this debate. so that's why i really do think both candidates need this debate. and that's why all this kind of going back and forth about the rules mask the fact that both of them need to show up on one hand, you've got donald trump. he's the one who's losing momentum in needs a moment. he needs the earned media that at a debate can provide, especially if he does well in the debate, he also needs to be able to say he was able to go toe to toe with kamala harris and show that he can hang with her and then of course, kamala harris, she's faced a lot of criticism for being very scripted on the teleprompter at rallies these and i think she has to show people that she's willing to put some meat on the bones when she's talking about her platform, talking about what

she wants to do, that she's able to explain it when journalists asked her to explain, not just what do you want to do, but how are you going to do it? and how are you going to pay for it? so she needs this debate as well. well, and i think we can safely assume that donald trump will hit her on her policy positions. i mean, he's he's obviously trying to now call her comrade kamala, saying that she's a leftist and he is going to most likely call out her positions of the past and where her campaign says they are now. i want to take a look at some of those past positions like these that's why we need to have medicare for all they've got to have medicare for all i am offering a green new deal that has been described as one of the most aggressive and progressive here's the thing, defund the police the issue behind it is that we need to re-imagine how we are creating safety how does harris respond to her shifting policy position? i think the

way she responds as by saying, you know, on all three of those issues, she has massive accomplishments under the biden-harris administration on the issue of the green new deal, there she can focus on the kind of energy production that they have been able to accomplish under biden harris, it has been historic, we have never been at this level of energy production here in the united states. she can talk about on defund the police. she can turn that around and say crime has gone down under the biden-harris administration and focus on the numbers that it was when trump was in office and so she has an answer for everything and she can turn it back around and say, let's remember where things were four years ago, the economy was in the toilet. americans were dying because you, donald trump denied the science of covid. so the real benefit that trump has in this debate is that for 90 minutes he's going to be able to sort of fill in the blanks for all of these swing voters out there on all of those issues and all those past statements in a way that 32nd ads could never do. so that's

why that's the real estate that's really what's at stake, i think in this debate coming up she can do the same yeah, absolutely. but i mean, i think this is one of those things where we have concentrated audience of swing voters. and this is probably trump's best chance. all right, well, we're 15 days until the debate is supposed to start fulsome probably be talking about it, feel like to tell them. right. i know. all right. kevin madden, maria cardona, tia mitchell. thank you. all. just ahead. searing words from donald trump's former national security adviser, hr mcmaster, describing what he witnessed in the trump white house, what need just told cnn moments ago, plus could the trump classified documents case be reopened? special counsel, jack smith's new move against the judge, who dismissed it next monday to our whole story special, the candidates and their record on the key issues of the election season she anticipates the strength of what the blowback

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pain more i'm alayna treene traveling with the trump campaign. and this is cnn we'll new blistering details from donald trump's former national security adviser, hr mcmaster, on what it was like to work under the 45th president in his new book, he were calls, meetings in the oval office as quote exercises in competitive sycophancy. and he noted trump would also suggest outrageous ideas like bombing the drugs in mexico or wiping out the whole north korean army. tonight, mcmaster told cnn this the president is quite often very offensive. brash, says things that are outlandish he's extremely disruptive person. i saw it as my job, not to try to constrain him, but to help him disrupt what needed to be disrupted. would you work trump white house again? no. i think anderson i will work in any ministration were feel like i can make a difference, but i'm used up with donald trump well,

joining us now, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine, and eurasia. evelyn farkas and washington post columnist josh rogin. thank you all for both coming on. i just want to note, you've known hr mcmaster for many years and you serve on an advisory board would with him? i am curious what your reaction is to his description of what it was like working for trump. this is really the first inside look we're getting from him. yeah, from him, though. of course, we've heard from mark esper who's on the board of the mccain institute. we've heard from john bolton. we've heard from other advisers to the former president. i think 17 of them have said he's not fit to be president. again, they've called him dangerous and so we're just getting more examples of why he was dangerous or how he was dangerous that a given point in time, and how stubborn he was about russia and this weird relationship with putin so it's interesting because he retired or or left the administration in 2018, right me why now? why is he sharing these candid details? now, i

think it'd be more accurate to say he was fired after a series of mean tweets like many others in the trump administration after 13 months. when he says he wouldn't work for another trump administration. i don't think that offers on the table for hr mcmaster. i don't think he's going to be invited. i don't think john bolton is gonna be invited either. i think a second trump administration would have a lot more of the kash patel, mike flynn, my pillow guy kind of national security officials and so, you know, he could say, i won't serve but anyway, i think the reason that he didn't do this before is because he was trying to preserve his reputation as a non partisan, non-political historian. and now he's made the decision that that is not as important as him telling the truth about what he saw. so i think it should be commended for that. but as everyone pointed out, this is not not new bombing. the mexican drug sources and killing north korean soldiers for no reason or is not so much different than nuking the hurricanes, other thing that shooting traders in the legs, right? so this is just a lot more to the

story of lots of crazy thing that trump says. and as for the allegation that everyone is just trying to to compliment trump to get him to do what they want. yeah. we knew that already two, that's what putin does. that's what his officials do. that's what senators do, and that's the kind of warped policy process that happens in a trump administration. you ended up appealing to trump self interests rather than the national interests. and even h r mcmaster is not immune from that, and it's interesting because he notes that and was doing that appealing to trump self-interest and trying to win him over that way. and that it were on fell prey to that. what did you make of what he said? yeah. i thought it was interesting because hr said, you know, i i told the president not to send a congratulatory note to vladimir putin, because when putin was reelected, course, we all knew it was a fraud. it wasn't a normal election. so he said that would be embarrassing. and you really shouldn't do that. the president insisted, but major mcmaster held the letter and later he told the president, i didn't send the letter. and he said i was trying to protect you and i think they're i think that hr should have said, actually, i

was trying to protect america. i mean, maybe he was trying to protect trump the man from being embarrassed harris, but frankly, not sending the letter was good for america. we should not be congratulating vladimir putin, a bloody dictator who sold in election for winning an election because he didn't i want to ask because if you look ahead, look, donald trump could very well win this next election. and there are many national security crisis on the horizon, right? i mean, you have the ukraine war with russia right now, speaking to vladimir putin and just a today, donald trump said that ukraine could cause world war iii, and that he, someone who could prevent that. what do you think? right? i mean, trump and j.d vance have been very clear that they don't support further usa to ukraine under most circ*mstances. and that's a totally different position from kamala harris is to totally different position than the biden ministration had from hr mcmaster, and this is part of a long series of sagas between trump and russia and ukraine and zelenskyy that we don't have really have time to

get into. but what you could be sure of his in a second, trump administration, the anti-ukraine people will have the ball and pro-ukraine people will be on the sidelines. and that's the flip of the first trump administration. hr mcmaster was if nothing else, in adult in the room and that's a low bar for national security adviser, but that's where we were in the first trump administration in the second trump administration, there's no guarantee of any of that. and i think that spells disaster for ukraine if you believe like everyone does. and like i do that actually the most dangerous thing would be to allow vladimir putin to win in ukraine, then that actually has a much higher chance of sparking world for three than the opposite, which is defending freedom and democracy and human rights in ukraine, which is something that trump and j.d. vance don't seem to care about at all. and there's a greater risk that we would have world war iii. that is to say war between russia and nato. if putin gets his way in ukraine, because he will be emboldened, he doesn't want nato. hill tried to test nato allies will try to test our commitment to one another. so i think it's much more dangerous

if we if we were to have a trump administration that would let vladimir putin somehow roll over ukraine and win in that war. that, that's far more dangerous. and if we stopped at in ukraine, it's not as if the ukrainians are just going to stop fighting. they're gonna keep fighting whether we help them or not, their that's a problem. yeah. jobs plan b asked to allies to lift the restrictions on using weapons into russian territory. so lots of discuss, they're, we're out of time, but thank you both. evelyn farkas, josh rogan, and trump's former national security adviser, lieutenant general hr mcmaster. it will join me live tomorrow, right here on the source at nine in p.m. new tonight. special counsel jack smith, appeals a judge's decision to tass out the trump classified documents case challenging who are ruling as quote, nonsensical a former trump lawyer who worked on the case is here next erin burnett outfront tomorrow at seven on cnn. it's pods biggest sale of the summer, safe up to 25% on

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streaming exclusively on max tonight special counsel jack smith is fighting back after judge aileen cannon dismissed the classified documents case against former president trump smith's team is asking to bring back the case while defending the role of the special counsel, never meant for backup in july on the first day of the republican national convention can tell us out the case ruling that smith hadn't been appointed legally on today's 81 page filing, smith's team criticizes her decision. my source tonight is donald trump's former attorney in the classified documents case, jim trusty. hi, jim. thanks for coming on. we should note for our viewers, when you were trump's attorney, you argued in defense of trump over the merits of that case, but can you agree with jack smith's arguments in his filing today that judge cannon's decision to dismiss the case over his appointment was quote, novel and lack merit

well, everything about the prosecution is novel. i wouldn't say it lacks merit. judge cannon wrote about a 90 page opinion. it was very scholarly. i'm one of the few people that has no social life, so i read it and when you look at it, it actually, it's a very interesting arguments, very nuanced, but it comes down to this idea that the appointments clause of the constitution tuition, which governs the idea of how senate, the senate has to be involved in some of the appointments within the executive branch that, that kind of trumps all other statutes. and what we have with jack smith's brief signed off on by nine different prosecutors, and probably the entire appellate division looked over it with a fine tooth comb. what they're relying on usv nixon from 1974 to say, hey, there's a supreme court case that says it's okay for the attorney general to appoint an independent counsel or there saying special counsel, the problem is just that the case involved independent counsel, which is a different bird, a different animal. so what we're looking at is essentially an argument

by the defense that this is a legislative oversight if they wanted to give permission to the attorney general to appoint a special counsel, all they had to do is have a statute that's the difference between the 1970s and now. you don't have a statute that govern special counsel. i think it's a novel argument is actually former attorney general ed meese that raised it in an amicus brief and it's finally getting some traction. i don't think it's a laugher. i don't think it's an embarrassing argument. so you mentioned the nixon case, but jack smith and his filing made a broader argument. i mean, he mentioned that he points to over a century of practice within the government, 150 years of statues passed by congress that gives the attorney general broad authority to appoint special counsels do you think as you look at the broad evidence there, the wait here that it's more on jack smith's side here than judge cannon side yeah. laura, i think it's a close call in a really in real life, it comes down to your panel when you go before a circuit like the 11th circuit in this

case and i think that argument will probably be towards the end of the year, early next year, you get three judges assigned randomly, and all of them bring different philosophies and different kind of attitudes to a case you're going to get three judges that morning basically are soon before the argument that are going to have the first whack at it. if you lose, you might ask for what's called an non-bank ask the entire circuit to rule on the same issue, and i have to thank for something this momentous, this important to the case and to history that were going right back up to good old scotus that the supreme court is going to yet a petition at least, and they'll probably hear this case eventually. so we're we're on a slower track than i think people imagine, but it starts with the briefing that began today. it will wrap up in about six weeks and then they'll set oral argument. we'll see where it goes were you surprised that jack smith didn't ask for judge cannon to be dismissed from this case. well, you know what i've been surprised about is that they've had a really petulant tone, are really frustrated tone in the

pleadings in the district court. in other words, the things that they're filing with judge cannon, they've been increasingly nasty and belittling and that suits the politics of the moment pretty well. i suppose. i don't remember them having any problem with judges that blew up executive privilege or attorney client privilege when it came to president trump, but wouldn't have any scrutiny and they start losing any of these battles. they've been pretty petulant. i think they toned it down a bit for this brief because the circuits don't usually like to see that they can be a little protective of the idea of a judge's impartiality they're not going to be wild about a lot of kind of hyper rhetoric so i think they've turned it down. i don't know that there's going to be an avenue for any sort of recusal on this case, even if she rules against them again. but i think that would be brought up later, maybe back when it's in front of the circuit once it clears the circuit, when it goes to this supreme court or the circuit rules against judge cannon they could inject it into the process a little bit, but i think they're going to have to take their lumps for a little bit with judge cannon rather than think they have some

smoking gun basis to kick her off the case when asked who as a former attorney for donald trump's team, what you think about the fact that there were two federal cases against donald trump, right? with the exact same constitutional argument why hasn't the trump team made this argument to the other judge in this case? judge chutkin do you think that there judge shopping here? well it's a judge shopping. they need to get to a new grocery store when it comes to dc, i mean, you're lucky had judge chutkan and jack smith talking about a speedy trial, right. for the public to hurry up and try this thing before the primaries. were going, are kicking in. so no, they're not getting a lot of love in the dc court. i think that ocean isle calm. i am not privy to what their strategies are. they obviously have this huge issue lingering in dc on the question of immunity. and frankly not to go too deep in this, but the ruling from the supreme court about this idea of essentially official acts, limited immunity is really going to complicate jack smith's ability to go

forward on the current indictment. so we're going to have this incredibly different you're talking about is correct stuff is immune. yeah. i mean the dc case, making flight yeah. yeah. but what i'm getting at is sorry, pam, but i mean, i think what i'm getting at is that case is snake bit because of the immunity rulings got some real issues to deal with. that's going to slow it down possibly make jack smith go back to the grand jury and re-indict honestly. so all of that bodes towards letting it play out, letting its die of its own weight before you inject. another their argument about special counsel authority. i think it'll come they'll have to follow it at some point but i think they've got other things that are keeping them busy. all right. jim trusty. thank you so much. sure good to see you here with us with more reaction to jack smith's filing cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodgers so jim, what do you make of what we just heard from jim trusty and his viewpoint here? well listen, i like jim he's a former doj person too, but he was also a trump lawyer. so i'm not

surprised to have him give so much credence to the trump team's arguments here. and i don't know that i disagree with him on all things. i mean, i don't know that this is a laughable position, but i don't think at the end of the day that team trump is going to when on appeal here, there's just too much there's too much in what jack smith is saying about the historical record here, about the statutory record, and about the supreme court's unanimous opinion and usb nixon and i mean jim can say it's a difference between an independent counsel and a special counsel. but when you look at those actual positions and the differences between them, there's really nothing there. so i think the unanimous supreme court finding that congress did vast and the attorney general the right to appoint a special counsel in that case, the watergate special prosecutor. i think that's going to carry the day it's interesting because if you read through the jack smith filing, he also points out that the trump team's argument or judge, aileen cannon for that

matter how it would it would raise questions about the hundreds of other appointments with the federal government, not right. not just in this case, but in other departments as well. the executive branch and clean the department events, state, treasury and labor. and so would also raise the question how that would apply right to vacancies, right. for an acting u.s. attorney how their argument would apply to something like that. what do you think? yeah, i thought that was really a good argument that jack smith's team made. and it's the sort of argument that doesn't get a lot of traction necessarily in the district court, which is so concerned about the case in front of it, but it gets a lot of play in the higher courts because they're thinking about how expansive is this ruling if we do this, how packed full is this going to be? the notion that inferior officers cannot be appointed to do things that are even semi independent across the federal government would be a disaster. as you said in all of these

departments, you have inferior officers who are appointed pursuant to these statutes without having to the affirmed by the confirmed by senate. and so it's not just a special counsel, jack smith problem is not just the doj problem. if the 11th circuit and ultimately the supreme court does what trump wants them to do. it's an entire executive branch problem. i think that was a good argument and i think the 11th circuit will consider that that's seriously. all right. jen rodgers. thank you enough. next right here on the source, donald trump trying to throw cold water on his opponents momentum tonight as vice president kamala harris makes gains in the polls and her campaign war chest. a political insider on the state of play just ahead the pros for have i got news for you are pretty odd yeah. what are the kinds we could run on the news before then that would never happen if i got news for you. the mirror, saturday, september 14th at

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hanako montgomery in tokyo and this is cnn donald trump in battleground, michigan today offered his take on where this race stands. poorly. i'm leading in the polls they had their, what they call there little period of time where you know, typically somebody goes they didn't go up at all. we went out several things. their objective, lee the harris campaign is not doing poorly. donald trump is not leading in the polls. all signs nationally and in swing states 0.2 a margin of error race at this point and vice president harris did go up in the polls and may still be trump campaign is predicting a two to three point bump for harris in the first round of polling afterward rousing convention, my source tonight, editor and publisher of inside elections, nathan gonzalez so if the election was held today who would win this race i actually think vice

president harris would win now, i agree that it is a very close race, but let's if we go backwards a little bit, i think that we had a very close race where trump was leading before the debate, before the june 27 debate, he was leading in the swing states. andy was potentially expanding the map into virginia and new mexico the coa minnesota. now, the vice president harris is at the top of the ticket. the core of the battleground is the same, but we're talking about different states, north carolina, it looks like it's a battleground where it looked like trump was running away with it. florida could be a battleground. there was a poll right before the convention usa today that had a neck and neck. we'll see if that's an outlier a trend. but i think that the momentum tim is with harris and that's why i think you would rather be harris right now than trump, but were evenly divided country and i expect it to be close. yeah, a lot can change, right? we have seen so many twists and turns in this election. north carolina, the interesting date, the mail-in ballots are going on just a couple of weeks there. i mean, that's where we are and this election cycle is heating up and the trump campaign put out this memo saying that there wouldn't be he a bump for harris in the polls, but that it wouldn't

stick. it pointed to historically what happens. but could this moment be different that's a little bit of expectation setting. of course they want to set the bar high so that if there isn't a bump, then it looks like she has that she has failed. i think the problem with looking at any poll is identify any movement in a pause identified exactly what is the cost? it's a bit because of course we just had the convention, but we also just had rfk junior dropping out. and so the polls that are going to come out over the next week or so we're going to reflect not just the convention, but rfk junior and i think that rfk he was on the downward slide and democrats who are just who said that they were voting for him, who had already gone to harris. and so i think rfk support was still pretty trumpy. so he might get a little bit a couple of points from rfk junior dropping out. so you can make an actual difference. i think in terms of there were some for voters that didn't like the two choices that we're just using, rfk as a vehicle for another candidate. that now that he's not option, i think that trump could benefit, but i don't think rfk's endorsem*nt really

means i don't think there are a sizable population out there who are just looking around saying, all right, i'm going to wait for rfk junior, didn't tell me who to vote for. i think those people are very small. i'm going to take a deeper look at this latest poll we had the cbs yougov poll is the most recent look into this state of the race before the dnc. and it showed harris with a very slight three point lead over trump 51 to 48. but as we expect to see this traditional post-convention bump for harris, as we were just talking about momentum, she has you're also hearing some concern from democratic pollsters. why is that? well, first of all, we have to be very concerned when we're looking at national polls. we do not have a national election in this country, have an electoral college, fair and state-by-state. it's part of what got everyone in trouble in 2016, the national polls showed that hillary clinton was leading donald trump and she won the national election. but that's not the election that we have. so we have to remember not to, not to redo that. i think it's some pollsters are concerned that once again, trump's support is being understated in the polls that people who say they're supporting trump are not

either. they're not answering pollsters calls or they're not telling pollsters exactly what they are going to do in that once again, he will be overperform where he is in the polls it's, it's, it's possible, but i i think pollsters have tried to methadone methodologically tried to handle that, was going to ask that because there's a lot of skepticism from people about the polls, right? and whether they're accurate because they saw what happened in 2016, have pollsters been able to sort of remedy that? well, we'll find out in two-and-a-half months i think that they're trying they're trying to it's not just lying i've color you'll get someone on the phone because people aren't responding to calls. so shifting some methodology to text a web, they're sending a text and then have you answer, answer a survey online in order to get more of the population, i think the best thing to do is to try to get as many data points as possible and not just, not just focus on any single poll, but look at as many points as possible and as many of the battleground states as possible to analyze the trend rather than just sticking with one poll speaking of

looking at the trend and looking at all the data points and also looking at 20:20, right? what we saw then compared to now at this point in the 2020 election cycle, biden was beating trump by eight points, 50 1243, and it was a very close race. how concerned would you be if harris returns a smaller lead than that in her post-convention bump i think comparing harris to biden or hillary clinton at this point is difficult because she's the vice president, but she's still a fairly unknown quantity. she still has room to grow in terms of being able to introduce herself to voters we hillary clinton had universal name, i.d. joe biden had universal name i.d. so they didn't have as much room to grow. harris, i think one thing we're learning about the polling going back a few months as it looked like harris was unpopular when in reality, people just didn't really know her, didn't know what jobs she was doing and now the racist it's to define her democrats last week wanted to define her in a certain way. republicans are trying to define her as a california liberal and that's really what the race is for voters who were unfamiliar with

who she is or what she was doing. how many undecided voters are i mean, how many voters are still on the fence about who they're going to go for that and that note how important is the debate? i think we're talking about a very small number of people. a lot of people say that they're independent, but they really already know who they're gonna vote for us. i would put it in the still in the single digits, high single digits potential people who are truly up for grabs and they probably are looking at the debate, or they'll get look much closer to election day. say, how do i feel, do i feel secure? do i feel, how do i? feel about the economy? and do i want a candidate that is for change, that is a change agent. and right now, harris, is that change agent because it's such a stark contrast to former president trump. all right. nathan gonzalez. thank you so much well, history is about to be made when for civilians, the last off into space for the first ever private spacewalk. and we just lauren that launch was pushed back 24 hours an astronaut who made history with her space travel is here with us. next, you won't want to miss this segment. i'm looking

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to travel farther into space than any astronaut since the apollo missions to reach the highest orbit around earth ever. and also become the first of billions to take a high risk spacewalk. my source tonight is one of the few humans who have been to space, former nasa astronaut dr. mae jemison, who was the first black woman and space honored to have you on tonight. why do you think wednesdays mission is highly ambitious and risky especially for, for private citizens? good evening there's a lot in that question. all space exploration almost by definition with humans, has a level of risk in it. and we can sort of see how that risks can be calculated, how you try to minimize it, what's really exciting about what's happening with the polaris? michigan is the amount of information is being being taken. some updates in the eva or extra-vehicular activity or spacewalk suits. so those are

things that are incredibly interesting. and some of the things that are happening when you talk about risks are the fact that they're going through the one of this very high orbit going through the van allen belts. and the radiation that they may receive and really, really trying to understand how is that mitigate it. there were a number of things that i understand had to be done to the vehicle itself. to sort of harden it to the radiation. they're doing a spacewalk is going to use the same sort of means that happened did gemini, where they're going to stay have an umbilical and get all their life support system through that. so it's a different kind of space suit. then you see what the space spacewalks that with space station, where you carry your own life support with you. so there are a lot of different avenues that are happening. so the risk is hopefully not to the crew right? but perhaps to the amount of science that can be

done. and so it's going to be pretty exciting. certainly and you mentioned you know, going into space is risky in and of itself. and we're seeing this play out with these two nasa astronauts. the ones who just found out they aren't coming home until february now, they've already been stuck there for months they've been there since june, i believe, at the international space station and the boeing starliner can't bring them home now and still they're going to have to wait for the rival spacex ship. do you think that nasa made the right call and what do you think that's led for them up there? so the first thing let's be really clear. they're up there with other astronauts on the international space station have food warrants, shelter, even ability to contact her family back-and-forth. so it's not as though you're stranded on an island with no communications, no way to get home so the difference is is they thought they were going up for an eight-day mission and coming back down after doing sort of a testing out of this vehicle, the starliner as a first crewed

mission on the starliner. so that's a complete change of plans so i can't really tell you how they're feeling. there's i think every day you're able to be in space is probably a good day, both sunny and butch sunita williams and butch wilmore have been on the space station before. so it's very interesting for them we're going to say, what will happen? but it's really interesting time. i think i'm going to ask you about the right. that want to ask you quickly, my six-year-old son asked, what's the food like up there you've got ten seconds it's okay, it's breezed, right? and you and you've you've put water in it to plump it up. but in terms of what's happening, the right call the management looked at what are the risks of what could happen with the vehicle. you never put the cruise life at risk if you think there might be something you can't control course, it's a right call may jameson. thank you. and thanks for my son's question. thank you for

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